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>> cenk: we're going to see you tonight at youtube. "viewpoint" is next. >> john: after a week of some people saying please don't let it be a muslim. and other people saying please don't let it be a white guy. it turns out it's a couple of muslim white guys. and post boston exploit, and it turns out there were no inspections for years at that texan fertilizer plant because they don't believe in government intervention. today is the birthday of peter frampton john waters and jack
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nicholson turns 76 today. and it's earth day, a very good time to remember what chris brown forget that you need her a lot more than she needs you. i'm john fugelsang. this is "viewpoint." [ ♪ music ♪ ] goods evening, i'm john fugelsang, welcome to "viewpoint." charge have been filed against 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev, the surviving suspect in the boston bombing and allegations have bun flying around that the fbi had been lax when they investigated dzhokhar tsarnaev's brother tamerian. the who homemade bombs that he trigtriggered with his younger brother killed three people and wounded hundreds more. at least one bombing survivor, a
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seven-year-old girl is still in critical condition a week later with multiple wounds to her legs. now 2:50 p.m. eastern time today the same time that the bombs went off last monday, a moment of silence was held in boston and around the nation for all the victims in the bombing. earlier a funeral service was held for one of the people killed at the scene. 29-year-old krystle campbell was buried inburyied. dzhokhar tsarnaev can't speak a possible suicide attempt as police closed in. he is accused of ever using and conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction resulting in death and malicious destruction of weapon device resulting in death.
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jay carney said this must remain in federal court. >> we will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice. >> john: however lindsey graham believes it's a mistake. >> it's impossible to gather the evidence in just a few days to determine whether or not this individual should be held for questioning under the law of war. i'm asking this administration to leave on the table the option if the evidence warrants to designate this i had as an enemy combatcombatant. >> john: meanwhile other critics are wondering if the fbi did not do enough to investigate tamer tamerian. among those are republican new york congressman peter king. >> the fbi has given information as being potential terrorists,
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they don't look at them and then they carry out murders after this. what went wrong. >> john: but jay carney insisted that the fbi had done its job. >> the fbi followed up on the information that it received about tamerian tsarnaev. they investigated him thoroughly and did not find terrorism domestic or foreign. >> joining us a counter counterterrorism expert welcome back to "viewpoint." >> thanks, good to be here. >> john: happy to have you. one suspect is dead and the other is captured and may be communicating with police. what are the big outstanding questions that still need to be answered at this point. >> the first question you're going to ask are there accomplices. are there support structures in place in boston, the united states or overseas. what i mean by support structure, financial support
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moral support, was there an egress plan for these guys to be gotten out of boston? were there others there to help them? they had ammunition weapons and explosives when they were captured. were there other attacks they were going to carry out themselves or with the support of others. >> john: were there specifics about the types of guns they were using against the officer at mit. >> i heard handguns and one long begun but i would be lie going to i said i knew the specific types. >> john: it's been a week since the attack and evidence is collecting is still going on around the bomb scene. what could be left to find at this point and what is that important? >> any components that could lead to the makeup of that device could be important not only for the eventual prosecution of this individual, but for investigations of other cases around the world. if we can tie the type of triggering device and the type
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of mechanism for actually creating the bomb we know it was a pressure cooker. we know there was a low explosive, ball bearings, but the fbi when i say wee i mean the fbi likes to reconstruct these devices. there is an unit in the fbi lab that has literally every type of explosive device around the world and every device used in an american case reconstructed to the most minute detail so if there is another bombing we can tie it to a designer design. we want to do that to do that in this case. we want to find them and we want to comb that scene until there is nothing left to cope. >> cenk: that and tracing the history of the weapons could lead to potential accomplices. >> absolutely. >> john: you were resolute and certain that they would find these guys, but are you surprised that the suspects were found so quickly? >> no, not at all. as i started to say last week we're in a day and age where law
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enforcement is incredible. 20 years ago you would go to a bank atm security camera to see if it was pointing possibly in the direction of the crime and maybe captured something. today, or prior to today on monday the boston marathon there were literally tens if not hundreds of thousands of people collecting intelligence. they weren't collecting it for the fbi but because all of those people were victims of this crime they turn over that stuff voluntarily to the fbi the police, the state and local authorities because they want to help capture these criminals. all of that helps. that's a tremendous force multiplier. that's a lot of evidence when you look at different angles of these individuals walking around the blocks. that's a tremendous chain of evidence created by the general public. >> john: indeed, little brother is always watching. >> mm-hmm. >> john: we heard belittling comments about these young men especially by their uncle that's been well documented. what does it say about the suspects' trade craft as
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terrorists. these guys made no effort to conceal themselves, disguise themselves, conceal what they were doing as they attacked the events surrounded by the security cameras and where all these folks were taking pictures. are they complete knuckle heads? >> no, the factor of the matter, the traditional m.o. the mow dis operandi is suicide-bombing. maybe they fully expected not to survive this event. maybe they weren't expecting to have the events of the last week unfold after the bombing. not that they were suicide-bombers but maybe they would have expected the police would interdicted immediately. but you cannot do anything in the urban setting in where in the western world and not be on camera and be seen by other people. if they tried to disguise themselves they would have stood out more than they did. they blended with the crowd and that's what allowed them to get
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in and oatinin and out without raising suspicions. >> john: were they inept? >> maybe they could have done pre-surveillance for cameras. so it might have been to their benefit to look for these things in advance and try to plant devices in a place that would not be on an institutionalized security camera because they're much more capable of gaining long-range photography than an individual's iphone might be. that might have been something. but in an event like this, public event there are going to be a lot of cameras flashing and cameras rolling. >> john: we'll learn more details in the weeks to come. tim clemene, thank you for coming on "viewpoint"." >> thank you.
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>> john: of course. now on the legal side i'm pleased to be joined by christopher swift from george tone and fell low from the virginia center for national security law. mr. swift, it's a pleasure to have you here tonight. >> thank you. good to be here. >> john: why do you think federal and not state charges and do you expect more charges will be filed in the days to come? >> first, the federal charges allow the death penalty and the likelihood of life in prison. more importantly it allows the federal government to take the lead in using some of the forensic tools that the fbi has and i think tim clemente has done a good job describing those tools to your viewers. primarily the government will come in, take the lead in the evaluation and bring it to trial, to prosecution. i think it's likely we'll see more charges added to the
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criminal complaint in the coming days, and it's likely we may also see some subsidiary and state level charges filed in massachusetts state court. >> john: is there precedence for a homemade bomb being chazfied as aclassifiedas a weapon of mass destruction? >> this is a relatively new law. the most recent charge of this kind was with timothy mcveigh. but we've had bombes by pakistani terrorist who was charged with designating a weapon of mass destruction and that led to life in prison. >> john: this brings new elements to us. not being a lawyer, the miranda exception to be used on the suspect only if a terror threat seems emanant. can you explain how that works
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and has that been tested in court before? >> sure, the public safety exemption to miranda allows the fbi to interrogate without mirandaizeing them an without council. this helps them to determine whether or not there is anyone else in the support structure as tim clemente discussed earlier, if there are any support structure and it does present a potential problem a potential evidentiary problem for prosecution at trial in so far a federal judge could decide certain evidence is not admissible in court. but when you look at the massive amount of evidence that has been amassed in this case it's unlikely that they would not be able to get a conviction. it makes sense that they would
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proceed on this basis empty with the concern of a possible international connection. >> and they miranda mirandaized tim mcveigh but they didn't have as much and he didn't present as a foreign threat. i've worked as around the world as a scholar and lawyer, there is a question of international connection and it's appropriate for them to be asking these questions, not to mention that they'll probably race the issue on constitutional ground when it comes to trial. >> john: could the interrogation be used in court against tsarnaev in light of that or they're certain there is no chance that any judge would though down under any circumstances. >> if the judge chooses to exclude the evidence, you
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couldn't use evidence if the judge declares it inadmissible. you could still use all the evidence that has been brought to bear in identifying him locating him and bringing him to the point today. that would bring multiple life sentences. >> cenk: it seems like an air tight case. senator graham degrees that tsarnaev should be tried in a federal court but also designated and integrated as an enemy combatant. how is that supposed to work? could an i. citizen be an enemy combatant in the eyes of the law? >> it couldthey could be but it depends on how they're detained. an enemy combatant, they have to be retained on a battlefield or they were the agent of a foreign power. in the case of al-qaeda and
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the taliban if you could show that an individual was a member of al-qaeda or taliban then there may be some legal grounds to detain them and try them as an enemy combatant rather than in federal court. but this is masked in legal clothing. it's not actually a legal argument, and we shouldn't confuse these two things. the argument they're making is we should presume from the beginning that any incident involving islamic militancy is some how tied into al-qaeda. as i said, i've done research on this region and this particular conflict for 15 years. while the militants in chechnya have adopted al-qaeda ideology the connection is very slim and they have very different objectives that are very local very parochial and have a lot of to do with russia and very little to do with the united states. >> john: i agree and you're characterizing that as a political approach is profoundly
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diplomatic. scholar and attorney, christopher swift, thank you for coming tonight. >> thank you. >> john: thank you. one good thing may come out of the boston bombings. the violence is causing legislation to rethink gun control legislation. that's a typo. i should say immigration legislation. they're doing it. they're trying. that's next.
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(vo) only on current tv. too many. >> john: welcome back to "viewpoint." today as thing of the day is the earth day disappointment of the day. according to a new poll, americans place less importance on environmental issues now than they did way back in 1971, a year after earth day was established. this is back around the time that the environmental protection agency was started by that liberal fire brand richard mill house nixon. on the bright side people are eating healthy foods now. you know the ever efficient u.s. senate is working well when the debate shifts from immigration bill to whether or not an immigration bill should be delayed. and some g.o.p. senators including dan coates who backed up this backing up strategy just yesterday. >> immigration is an issue that
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has dramatic economic affect on americans. it has national security i ambly cases. i think stepping back just a little and putting it on hold, just push it back a month or two, let the emotions settle down. >> john: these calls for a stall tactics led to a tense exchange today at a hearing over proposed immigration plans over one of the bills cosponsored by senator chuck assumer and senator chuck grassley. >> i say particularly those who are pointing to what happened the terrible tragedy in boston as a--i would say an excuse for not doing a bill or delaying it many months or years. >> i never said that. >> i never said you did. >> i never said that. >> i never said that you did sir. >> john: it also led for a rebuke from senator john mccain. >> in all due respect to my colleagues that's ludicrous. this legislation tightens our
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borders, increases security. i would say it's a strong argument for immigration reform possible passed as quickly as possible. >> john: with what more on what role the events of boston should playplay i welcome michael tomas can i. do you see the bombing in boston derailing the immigration reform? after find out more about where they're from and so for i think things could be worse than they are. there is john mccain and paul ryan echoing what mccain said. i think with the exception of coates, grassley and rand paul,
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whom you had on your screen there as you were doing your intro, i would say that most republicans that i've heard have actually been pretty reasonable about this and have kind of said that there is nothing in immigration law that would have prevented us letting these guys in the united states when they were 9 and 16 years old and buying able to tell that they were going to grow up to go terrorists. >> cenk: isis senator mccain correct saying that this should only accelerate the process? >> i'm not sure about that. what immigration change could we make that would stop something like this? i don't think there is one. i don't think that's a good argument against passing immigration. as i wrote about gun control many times it's obviously not the case that background checks would have necessarily have prevented newtown or a new massacre but that's not an
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argument for not doing anything. similarly, you know, the fact that this happened in boston and was done by immigrants is not an argument for not changing our immigration law. i'm not sure what aspects of the law mccain is referring to, but the bottom line is we haven't changed immigration law since 1986, and it's high time, and you know, we don't need a bunch of excuses. >> john: i think he was referring to how this would tighten the border. but a lot of folks are saying we can't judge all gun owners based on the acts of a misbehaving view are now saying that we now have to base all immigrations based on these two chechnyaens. i'm not sure if they're trying to get votes from the base but he's the same man who called new town victims props in the gun control legislation. how deep is the hypocrisy there?
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>> it's pretty deep but you've got him pegged. he's obviously going to run for president in 2016. despite the fact that he has a couple of wrinkles that make him stand out as right right winger. he's very different from john mccain and lindsay graham, with those exceptions he's very standard issue right wing even though he's a libertarian. he's against same-sex marriage, and he's--he wants to get the vote of that base. so he's obviously going to step out and say what he said. and clearly the thing he said about the new town parents was pretty reprehensible. >> john: indeed. you wrote about the g.o.p.'s needs. like the nra to instill fear in the public. can you explain that in the immigration reform? >> well, we've seen it so often over the years.
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conservatives need a boogeyman. they need to get worked up about something, come group of people or some set of events and make people react to that and say oh, my god we've got to do something to stop this. you know we've got to do something to stop brown people from coming over the border. it was true going back to civil rights. then of course after 9/11 and after any terrorist attack there is a certain element within the republican party and conservative movement that is going to rise up and say see we have to cut off immigration. we have to do this, we have to do that. you know, it's how they play. it's how they play, and it's how they get votes. but i think it's pretty much a minority opinion in this instance. >> john: it certainly made everyone forget senator marco rubio's 47 appearances on sunday's talk shows. thank you for your excellent
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piece and thank you as always for your insight. >> always a pleasure to come on. >> john: great to have you thank you. wtf america coming up with one of the most wtf states, florida because sometimes it's just too easy. don't go away. >>we'll do our best to carry the flag from 6 to 9 every morning.
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>> john: welcome back. this week our continuing wtf america series takes a look at florida where ron king of the police department was fired after he was discovered conducting target practice with
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a paper traditional fashioned an trayvon martin. complete with the hoodie, pocket full of skittles, and and a menacing hand with iced tea. where they get this poverty. i would guess that even george zimmerman wouldn't approve of this thing. and how would a drawing of a bag of skittles be as frightening as a real life bag of skittles, and when confronted by iced tea it's useless. take down that beverage or perish trying. i know the stand your ground law was created to correct florida residents from affablo black teenageers. but what about roving bans of elderly people, and parents forcing children to go to the
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epcot centerrer and you're denying them from growing up in florida and having their votes suppressed. commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?
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>> john: the factory explosion in west, texas last week that killed an estimated 14 people and injured 200 was a disaster and a tragedy but should not have been a surprise. according to the daily beast residents of west had speculated about it for years and the epa fined the company for risk management plans back in 2006. but despite that fine, the there wan a catastrophic oversight. osha had not inspected the company since 1985 and the
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homeland security was not properly overseeing the nitrate on the site, the same stuff that tim mcveigh used to blow up oklahoma city. and last year the west fertilizer company stored 270 tons of it. and maybe craziest of all the town zoning. a community grew up right next to this bomb. what was a high school doing within 2,000 feet of it? a middle school and hospital were even closer and practically right on top, a nursing home, one of the buildings that was destroyed in the blast. what kind of thought went into something like this? joining me now is the greatest journalist in all of america amy goodman, host and executive producer of democracy now, the news show airing on 1,000 stations around the world. i'm honored you're joying us on "viewpoint." >> it's great. thank you. >> john: thank you very much. you've been covering this story on your show and you mentioned the oversights that we ran
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through. what else have you found? >> first of all, we should be talking about this in light of what happened in boston, why? in boston three people died, and over 170 people were injured. of course we should know everybody's names and learn what happened. why is it that when it comes to texas we know so little, and it's not on the front pages of the newspapers or top stories? we are talking about a case in the sense of an industrial terrorism. not a bomb put to a corporation but a corporation that so under valued the lives of the people who worked there and the community that we're talking about more than four times the number of people died in west, texas. >> john: and a much more preventable di disaster. >> completely. this is something that--well, what was it, 1,350 times the amount of ammonium nitrate that would normally trigger a
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government inspection within on the site. the first responders who died, 12 of the 14 people who died, let's not forget there is something like 40 or 50, perhaps 60 people who are unaccounted for. so the numbers are, in fact, much higher. you have a governor, rick perry who has been trying to lure corporations particularly from california to texas saying, you know, this is a predictable climate. what he means it's an unregulate unregulated climate. >> john: getting the governments off our backs. >> this is what happened. from 2008 to 2011 more than 1800 worker deaths in texas. in california it was 1500. california has 40% more population. we need regulation to save lives, not self-reporting. and yet overall it's not only a problem. west texas this is a problem
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all over the united states with the cutbacks that we see, and unfortunately we see it also under the obama administration. we have something like 2200 osha inspectors for the entire country. if you were going to inspect every plant it would take 129 years for each plant to be inspected. that's not acceptable. >> john: is that the reason why they got away with it? i appreciate this is the defining argument of our times. are you going to have government oversight or are you going to allow the free market to take care of themselves. why do you think they were able to get away from inspections for so long. >> when we cover the facts on the ground, and we give names and faces to stories like this. this is not just an abstract story of policy, what we have to do in the media is show that when you have deregulation we're talking about the taking of lives, and that matters. and we need a media now that covers this in a regular basis the people of west, texas, are
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devastated. i don't see that changing unless--and it's not just republican or democrat thing. you have governor perry, a well- well-known republican governor who ran for president and not one workplace safety rule has been passed in addition to what was there before at a time when we need this kind of protection for workers and in extremely unfriendly ain't union states where you won't have workers feeling safe enough to report unsafe conditions in plants. >> john: i'm glad you mentioned governor recognize perry. i thought it was entertaining when he thanks the president for his prayers after years of a war of the president's religion.
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is this a case with our conservative friends who say no, no enforce the laws you've got. is this where laws on the books have been ignored? >> laws are ineffective if you don't have the people to enforce them. and osha is so under staffed it can't possibly do the work. as for regulation, across the board we need increasing regulation. it protects business too. it is not good for businesses, and certainly not good for the west fertilizer company right now in west texas to have undergone what it has gone through. i think that conservative and liberal lines break down at times like this. all of west, texas conservative right through to perhaps a few progressives there are horrified by what happened. and there is no question that serious concern for human beings, for workers regulation is the answer. >> john: amy goodman is the host
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>> john: welcome back to "viewpoint." on social media today i squad asked ifal y'all thought that the bombing should play a role in immigration bill. beth wrote where did they get their weapon? correct, beth. because of the gun lobby the powder built to make weapons of mass destruction cannot be traced. those guns were legal at some point. all the legal guns begin their lives as legal often at gun shows with no background checks but don't worry i'm sure the nra will be very reasonable about this as they always are. if you have a comment for the show please tweet us or post it on our facebook page. the two big stories from the tragedy in boston and the senate's failure to pass a gun control measure supported by 90%
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of the population. they were not necessarily unrelated stories. we were talking about this with amy goodman a few minutes ago relating to west,ings but i made the connection on twitter on friday when i wrote reminder 45 senators just voted to let dzhokhar tsarnaev buy weapons at a gun show with no inconvenient background checks. while this comment had its share of supporters it was also met with a great deal of anger and hostility and rage from the small minority of americans who haven't mastered the your/you're thing yet and felt that background checks and gun control won't stop bad guys from getting guns even though the nra blocked the tracking of gunpowder. taking this one step further. it was written: here to discuss
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the connection between gun control and the events in boston i'm pleased to be joined once again by host and executive producer of "democracy now," amy good man and author of "diary of a pregnant comedian," and lee camp. between youlet's talk about the background check debate, any friends and how it plays out in the attack in boston. it was reported that the guns used by the alleged attackers were illegally obtained. the anti-gun control crowd use this is to argue background checks don't matter. but don't you have to first trace the stories of how these guns made their way into the hands of the attackers? >> absolutely. and most importantly we have to trace how the money makes their way into the coffers of the
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senators and house of representatives, the congressman there, there, i'm talking about money from the nra. i think to have a conversation about this, we have to have a conversation about money and politics and how that distorts democracy. the fact that you could have 90% of americans for background checks, whether or not it would have made a difference in this particular case, yet you can have a senate at a votes that votes against this, that leads us to following the money trail. i think that's the most productive way to look at this issue and other issues when it comes to failure of democracy in america. >> cenk: i think you're right. were you surprised to find the fight over gun safety control wound up being about campaign finances. >> i'm not surprised at all. we can trace back to the horse the ikea meatballs came back from. they're more absurd about that. we can go back that far.
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we can't tell where these guns came from? somebody knows but people in power who have the money don't want people to find out. >> and amy is absolutely right. you know something is sketchy and wrong when it takes millions of dollars to keep it legal. millions of dollars given to our politicians. you know, things that are good and pure don't usually take that much lobbying. you don't see lobbying for scented candles and bubble baths because they're not killing people. >> john: then we see arguments coming from our friends at fox news that what folks at watertown needed to be safe was more guns. it's amazing how we're told that gun proliferation in mexico is treason, but gun proliferation in america is freedom. is there anywhere in the world where more guns makes us safe makes more sense? >> in situations like this i think about extremely brave woman named gabby giffords and what she is dedicating her life to.
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again, i think across the board everyone who talks about the partisan problems of this country are wrong. i think people are united across the political spectrum. we just have common sense when it comes to--to have guns in your home with children around, to have guns in classrooms. i don't think this is the kind of world most people want to live in. >> john: including most of our foreign allies who think we're nuts. >> also this idea that they would would have been sufferer with everyone having a gun. name one person who was killed with a gun who had a gun. it was a cop. it doesit's 10 to 12 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder. >> by the grace of god i was not in watertown thursday night. i'm usually there with one of my friends. i was in botch giving a presentation. she spent that time on the
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floor. i don't think she would have felt better with a gun. i wouldn't have felt better if she and her neighbors who i all know, who pull were all armed. >> john: going back-to-back ground checks and how it relates to boston, senator flake was one of the g.o.p. who voted against it, but he wrote this famous letter to run of his constituent constituents he implied he would vote for the background check and wrote strengthening background checks is something we agree on. is this even worse than voting against a background check tell telling a grieving mother that you're going to support her cause, and then take the money from the nra and vote to kill us--i'm sorry voting to prevent a vote from happening on. harry reid deserves a lot of credit from last week.
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>> it redefines flaking i guess you could say. and it is such a wake-up call right now what we're seeing happening in america around the issue of gun control. it may lead to something very unexpected for people. when you have 90% of the population going one way and your democratically elected representatives going another way. it may change. >> john: do you agree, seeing how the public has moved in issues like marriage equality is a precedent here? >> absolutely, and i think the politicians are going to have a surprise in 2014 if america can get their act together and say you're not payings attention to what we're saying. >> heidi heitkamp of north dakota, bill daily who donated $2,500 to her campaign said he was betrayed and said, quote i want my money back. will it matter if people will
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withhold their donations or will they get enough from the gun lobby to make up for it. what is this all about. >> we know about the revolving door of politics. in terms of how the money flows it's both sides. it's not just republicans who are receiving nra money. it goes both ways. and having posted a study to find out that background checks are more popular than kittens. >> john: more popular than christmas. >> i'm happy about that, i'm tired of kittens being on their high horse. >> after newtown happened, and there is no way to laugh about newtown, connecticut and what happened there after newtown happened, and president obama announced he was forming a committee to study you knew it was over at least for now because any time you make that kind of an announcement time is not on the side of those who want change. after newtown it should have
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been--like in australia. that's a gun-loving country. they had a terrible calamity, a massacre that took place. >> john: in '96, and it changed the laws. >> overnight. and the hunters said if you need an automatic weapon to kill a deer you're a wuss. >> john: i agree it's not good to make fun of newtown my panel and i will examine how well the the lunatic fringe.
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>> john: welcome back to "viewpoint." one more quick question for the panel. is there any group in the united states less likable than the nra? lee camp. >> even though i'm not a fan i think they get a reunion tour. >> carkara. >> i would say any airline that tries to charge you for carry on carry-on luggage. >> that's loathsome.
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>> amy goodman, who is worse than the nra. >> maybe at this point i can't think of anybody. >> john: yes, wallet me ask you this, maybe you're someone like the majority of americans who support the right to bear arms but feel creepy about the weapons creed who run the nra and keeping americans safe from any gun laws to keep americans safe. you're not alone. loving the second amendment while opposing the nra is very much as natural as loving jesus but opposing the west baptist churn. baptist church. there is quite a bit in common as the christians of west borough, west borough is to christianity as jesus was to inbreeding. they go around the country holding protests at funerals of anyone who doesn't stone gay people to death. they don't want to hate gays.
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they just do it because god commands them. it's like neuremberg but with very bad teeth. when someone tries to stifle them then they engage in first amendment lawsuits. then you have the nra. please understand we're not talking about their members. in the poll of the n ra members 87% said they believed in second secondhand gun. you wouldn't know that according to wayne lapierre. they're the reason why in america its easier for a civilian to buy lots of weapons to kill lots of people really
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fast than it is for you to remember your my space password. here is a tip skeeter, while you're able to arm yourself while calling obama a gun-grabbing tyrant is proof that he is not. by opposing background checks at gun shows, the nra guarantees that guns can be legally bought through the gun show loophole by felons or third parties who sell to felons. then those legal guns disappear, get sold a few more times. when the cops recover those weapons years later after a killing that wiped out a playground full of kids, police can say illegal guns. background checks would not have stopped anything. background checks only infringe on your second amendment rights if you're a felon, a terrorist or criminally insane. if you're all three you probably already work as an nra lobbyist. it's all about the money. west borough ignores the
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teachings of jesus and takes one line out of context to justified their evil. the nra ignores the second amendment well-regulated militia part to fulfill their greed. opposing gun safety is an insult to people. wayne lapierre is indifferent and makes more nra members think, maybe i'm okay. i would like to thank amy goodman, kara foster, so glad to have you here, and comedian lee camp i also want to say we lost a great musical hero, the one and only richie haven.

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